I wouldt read too much into that experience. The real eternal issue before us is not some form of Calvinism, but Christ! They say the importance of the sermon is a reason they cant have any interaction with the congregation. I think a marriage of convenience took place, and human nature made sure that it stayed that way when things became very inconvenient a few short years later. He actually knew my name and used it." This lie is important. It shows that David Platt ignored the McLean Bible Church Constitution and then deliberately lied to the church about it. His actions disqualified himself as a pastor. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. Of course, we need the leaders to tell us what all this do-do looks like (imperatives, again) it fills all their conferences and publishing. Thanks Grad. And the Global Replace String man With String person' approach gets pretty silly. 3. a member of the clergy. Must be a slow reading inefficient thinker. the placid, smiley response is the wrong one. David Platt ended that dream. Now that I know what Im withoutYou cant just leave me -Bring Me To Life (1), 501(c)3 calvinesta stealthy church rape'(tm), has found its way as a serious topic of Christian public discussion, showing up in various forms of media: books, scholarly white papers, blogs, internet and radio talk shows, and church podium warnings all around the country. Prayer will lead the Church to Glorify God, Shouldnt we all be spending time with Christ, studying? His view was that too many immature Christians are going overseas and they cause lots of problems. Going back to the comments about receiving Communion. McLean Bible Church is the church of my childhood (Lon Solomon is a personal family friend) and my husband came to know Christ at MBC. We both know the answer, yet dont follow this when we have someone adding their own agenda. Authority is vested (Ill go with that) in the offices and those who hold the offices. So why do we continue supporting this made up role? David Eigenberg isn't deaf in real life, thus he doesn't need hearing aids or have speech problems. The sermon or the gathering might not be experienced as anything significant to us, but we dont know how others are responding. Washing disciples feet delegate. Perhaps David Platt can get some pointers from Kevin DeYoung. Warren observes that this never impresses him, and that it raises the question of whether they love the people theyre preaching to as much as they love the rush of public speaking. Mac Brunson has a history for spending large. All the best! (I am not making fun of word studies, I would love love love to have access to a full bells and whistles version of Logos software.) We are to go into all the world and BE witnesses. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. No created thing compares to knowing Him. Lol. We all hold each others hands in the hospital. United prayer, therefore, requires that the one for whom we pray be looking away from us to the Lord Jesus Christ, and we together look to Him alone (1), respectfully, as you anticipate heavenly things, make every effort to be found at peace with The Lord Jesus, and that pressing towards being without spot or blemish, growing in the grace and knowledge of our Savior Jesus Christ. @ Lydia: Things are broken all over. Im tired and normally pastor shenanigans give me a chuckle, but reading about these clowns just irks me tonight. I cannot see the pastor as all that in Bible. As far as one being the outgrowth of the other. Open Discussion Page. I embrace imperfection. Believe in Jesus today, youll be very glad YOU did! But I know I cant do that forever. The things she happened upon sent her down rabbit trails while she was researching Du Bai (sp?) Who wants a job where you give everything, then the mob can take a vote as to whether you keep your job or not! I totally disagree with that concept. I look forward to further comments if you are so inclined, Seulement vous, Jsus peut montrer cette vision de lhomme aveugle! (1)), Spy You get character development, plot development and backstory. I use Word, revelation, and proclamation almost inter-changeably. See, I grew up in the remoter parts of the domestic oilfields. Bridget, If he recognizes a familiar face, he has a short chat. And the person made the lecture about as long to read as David Platt like talking head sermon. With Mac Brunson you see tweets about Lambert and Mohler and trivializing the impact of Irma on the community while whining about the minor ways it inconvenienced him personally. pastors should see this and understand it. Were Dones. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. Surgeon was able to do a one-step resection without a colostomy. These graduates then serve the Church. Once the new pastor arrived, it quickly went Neo-Cal. Not only, but Sunday morning worship service public proclamation is the churchs most visible act. He Didnt Love Being a Police Officer. And Platt would be doing the job he was hired to do and the Trustees would be doing their jobs as well. We should consider what ought to be on the table in the tabernacle. Almost all words have their origins in the verb forms. Still, imperfect as it is, it is the dearest place on earth to us.. Something is amiss. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! (1) fr. He has bigger things to do. I dont know of any other job where an employee is granted 2 months of vacation after working for 6 months. IMHO Peter was doing evangelism, like Billy Graham, for example, and not pastoring. Mahaney. Of course, you can do some evangelism at the church site. Full time pastor.TGC chairman. So, again, how is this guy spending 20-25 hours a week on a sermon? The scripture is profitable for.. several things, but it is not a restrictive procedure manual for administrative details about how to do church. This enhances the body that we are serving and being served no one is exempt from either one. Earlier this year,Plattwent to McLean Bible Church as in interim pastor. LOL at Dee telling Deb to check her text messages. The same is true of the underground church today, especially in China. It is true that to have a pastoral relationship, the congregation or ratio needs to be 150:1. This concern was raised when Platt took the position at the mission board. It is also a biological code. I believe they prevailed. dee said: To our readers WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. More trucks and drivers, better on-line delivery and inventory control systems all make for increased efficiencies. A spiritual birth which transforms someone into a true Christian, a saint, by the activity of the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 3:11; John 3:3-8; 7:39; 14:17; 20:22; Acts 2:38; Romans 8:2-26; 14:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10-12; 3:16; 6:11-19; 12:13; 2 Corinthians 3:3; 17-18; Galatians 3:2-5, 14; 4:6; Ephesians 1:13; 3:16; 4:30; 5:18; Philippians 2:1; 1 Thessalonians 4:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 6:4; 1 Peter 1:2,22; 1 John 3:24; 4:13; Jude 1:20. How many of our churches are creating spiritual diabetics? Im a liberal lefty too, and I think its high time to revamp the tax codes so that the loopholes are closed and that all non-profits (religious or no) must abide by the same rules. @ Bridget: to be more specific, they said that their insurer advised them that if they were to let anyone use their facility other than another non-profit, it could jeopardize their tax-exempt status. There is definitely something missing in this entire scenario. http://www.bpnews.net/49530/harveybattered-churches-sue-for-fema-funds. Once heard a pastor bluster on the stage: When ya get called to the ministry, its like nothin ya ever experienced, why its life changin event! Didnt know any better back then in my youth, but today Id tell that pomposity everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance, and that fact that he thought it wise to mount a stage and puff about his in particular is a sign that he had no calling at all. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? are picking whoever the replacement is rather than a pastoral search committee made up of actual members. It was an emergency appendectomy, but we got to the hospital fast and it had not ruptured. We shouldnt let out own viewpoint be the only criteria. . Casting Crowns: A City On A Hill Please, I prepped lesson plans for 6 math classes per day (4 different grade levels) in way, way, way less time than that! Their incorporation into 501c3 could have serious consequences for them if they are preaching against government legislation (eg. Association of Related Churches They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. These services advertised themselves via students in seminary, passing around flyers and CDs. But the salvation of the world has a purpose beyond that. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. We respect Dr. Platt and his sense of the Lords leading; and we recognize our responsibility to hold him accountable for his work leading the International Mission Board. It leaves in its wake dis-ease. What does any of this have to do with God? Voice disorder. @Richard- My family also attends (Soon to be attended) MBC and feel the exact opposite. Late coming to this, but I have some issues with property taxes in general and can see why that might be a needed exemption. The impact on the muslim world is accomplished very slowly through sincere friendships made through contacts by normal working people. You happen to gather at a home, is how I view this. Frauds, mountebanks, and carnival barkers, thats all they are. Another example is P.J. It is the body of Christ -Rachelle. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. My husband said this evening that its like a plague and now even once-immune MBC is falling victim to it. To follow my last commentthey have also hosted Mark Dever for a conference titled Growing Healthy Churches most ironic! The ironic thing is that the 9Marx pastor in the town of Fujairah (a smaller town on the east coast of the UAE) wrote an article that was published on the 9Marx website that was bemoaning the fact that there are too many missionaries. Its like a code for the party apparatus, comrade. He turned to me and said "Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. They throw that stuff out there expecting the sheeple to believe them. Just dont ask questions and pay your dues. "At Grace Church, there are three things and ONLY three things that I do: I meet with the staff/apprentices, I preach about 70% of the time, and I lead a small group in my home. Is it any wonder why those of discerning tastes are leaving the brand of loyalty and switching bakeries? Platt and his team are also reorganizing the board and the IMB is going through significant change.. the title teaching pastor means they do not have to interact with the peasant pew sitters. Dont know. Im afraid for our church. But brother or sister, these nine jobs are biblical, and that is why they are so valuable.. Anyway, the sermon was completely delusional. Viewing David Platts past online sermon videos smack of the same toxic religious syndrome in store for MBC members as well. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? Yours is a valuable reminder, too, of how many clergy embody anything BUT the gospel. We have been attending MBC for 4 years. Nor do they ever get any deeper. There is an interesting discussion on this subject between Mark Driscoll, James McDonald and Mark Dever here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ukvHuwFzBA. TWW has long been a safe place for folks of differing views and differing faiths. While checking that one for accuracy, I came across this one too: Id like to die like my old dad, peacefully in his sleep. Most of the congregation will never realize this as they are caught up in the cult of personality. April 2004. I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. One more thing I almost forgot. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. not someone building a career. He recognized this and lived his life and ministry appropriately. But at some point, arent we supposed to grow up into some degree of self-reliance, as far as the scriptures are concerned? David Platt, An MBC (1) Teaching Pastor, Is Infected With Calvinism. (Dont let him infect you!). My guess is they are already intertwined in more ways than folks might understand. I was fed by the sermons that Lon Solomon preached during the past year that I attended MBC. 2. a person who protects, guides, or watches over a person or group of people. (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. Those who know Christ (theo) best are better suited to ministry, not those who know sinners (socio) best. and if he doesnt, theres no reason not to create them ourselves. I do think ministry of the Word takes precedence over pastoral care. If Im not mistaken, K. Deyoung is also a competitive masters runner. As far as the east is from the west, false Christianity makes the big bucks these days in the land of the affluent for many have bought into the belief that Jesus came to make us healthy, wealthy, and prosperous. Of course, if the Trustees were transparent, we would not be speculating. More and more of the community are showing up with poor eyesight and bad circulation in the feet. Having been in SBC churches for 20 years, I can honestly say that most megachurch sermons are shallow and quite devoid of teaching of Scripture. Mahaney and Wayne Grudem repeatedly regurgitate the same few sermons time after time. There was a youth minister a childrens minister and an education Minister. Smyth of Covenant Life Church. Membership Covenants but then disillusioning applies to so many issues relating to this silly religion of mine. Extremely astute comment, and I agree 100%. That changed to an affiliation with an American Presbyterian group then that disappeared and the West Of Scotland Gospel Partnership arrived. GSD, For what its worth, my spouse and I are part of a home fellowship. God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self Standing up on a stage, being the only voice heard in a comfortably organised setting where everyone is explicitly there to hear you speak, is among the most seductively intoxicating pleasures anywhere in this life. Last post was meant to be two separate, one responding to Muff, the other to Nick/Bombast/God. Hes doing well. Our main motivation is Who God is, and that informs us as to how to love one another (because He first loved us). We believers are all priests, Jesus is our high priest, and we were not supposed to embrace this pagan shamanism nonsense to begin with. Generally, human nature is fairly predictable once we give up the notion that we ourselves or our group is somehow exempt. The building which was on the tax rolls is now removed causing a decrease in the tax base and higher taxes for others. Does not. But a sermon writing service? The pastor never spoke to me and his understudy said something goofy, like Isnt the sky blue today? There were a total of about 15 people at the funeral. The same is true for many ARC churches. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. If one uses the Big Show/Event as an evangelistic/attractionistic tool, how does that align with scripture, with worship, and with the definition of church. David is a teacher to the world, literally, online, through his books, through the IMB, etc. The shared leadership not taking full-time pay checks from their fellow believers, perhaps? As thoroughly-Domesticated as North Korean Population Units. You are spot on except for the money. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free. This is interesting. My point was in response to a completely different statement the idea that we are saved to go on missions. Id love a sabbatical too. I dont understand why they want to borrow celebrities. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. I am thinking that the success of megas is not just about celebrities, just judging from the success of the local mega. What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. The organizers can gain favor with the Gospel Glitterati by inviting them to the conference? He even had the nerve to say he was leaving the church in the best shape it had ever been in and its history! And that was his only job then. And he doesnt mispronounce! ), @ Law Prof: He did nothing but travel on so-called mission trips or went to conferences and seem to be on vacation every other month. But then, I do suppose that the super-righteous could limit the crowd to only those who think alike-or like them or something, based on no room in the house. He also is not going to get a salary for this new position. I hear your complaints. What does this mean? Thats all it is. As I think its all going NGO working with the UN and Feds for some of the billions out there. We worked out a formula to give the Sunday school class church a small donation to pay for our seat and the heating, etc. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. @ Paul: The academy serving the Church is not explicit in scripture. The father. i have a feeling it isnt wondered about. I do think that it is a poor idea to have a teaching pastor who doesnt know her or his flock, as I agree with Bridget that pastors should be driven by the Spirit to attend to the needs of the congregation. Web9. I wonder how much time he actually spends with his wife and children . solution pollution Posts: 49. Mr Platt aint got nuttin on Mr Crazy Buzy DeYoung. Sometimes we forget and need to be reminded. True, sir (if it be proper to call God sir). I. elastigirl wrote: We minister unto the LORD. Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. Sometimes because of past hurts in churches, when I go to a church service, I just want to be an anonymous person who sits in the back. Id be very interested. (2) The born-again experience: i.e. The Gospel Coalition recently postedPastor, Strive to Learn Their Nameswritten byBenjamin Vrbicek. I am preparing myself to disciple others. okrapod, Do you think the Apostle Paul really knew the names of the thousands who were added to the church daily or that he made hospital visits? He clearly could not know everyone by name as our capacity as humanssociologically speakingtaps out at around 150 (if you look at the literature). Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. Could you comment on that? That makes me sad. Id say it takes me anywhere from 8-15 hours to put together a new sermon depending on my familiarity with the passage. I do not make any claim to have arrived as a Christian, but I do have a daily practical intentional walk with Jesus. Some things never change. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? He and his wife have 7 children. Also surprised MBC would go for this. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? My problem with the tax breaks for churches and staff is they dont want government intrusion but then want to keep special exemptions. Many of my friends from Gospel Glitterati churches invited me to the conferenceso glad I declined and did not give a penny to them. All due respect, Okrapod, these arent scriptural requirements for an elder. It is only a money and power grab for them. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. @ AnonInNC: I want to know when did my husband or me get a vacation from life. WebDavid Platt Is Ready to Leave the IMB. ), you are neglecting the gathering together of the saints. Maybe not. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? Prediction: he will come on board full time within a year. ___ I felt the LORD give me this analogy/story line a few years ago concerning juggernaut corporate bakeries and local artisan bakeries. Those things cannot be torn apart and pitted against each other; they are part and parcel of the whole. extremely disappointing, disillusioning. He is just a big idea guy. We are in a church in which the pastors do show love and humility. Platt did not make it up nor is it original with him. @ Mandavilla: Also, there are close ties to the SBC since the NAMB (North American Mission Board)runs their church planting efforts out of McLean. Its like a code for the party apparatus. @ Law Prof: Warning: Calvins ICR is not the true gospel of Jesus Christ, but a clever vicious lie smothering the life out of the Christian believer who seeks to embrace this incessant smoldering darkness. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (2 Corinthians 5:17). No science or study of created things compares to knowing Him in short, theology over sociology (social sciences or created things). Bet it was said with a disarming smile. that is the hill to die on protect their tax exempt status. As you are well aware, the spiritual life saved, may very well be a personal one. Maybe it comes from living through two church blow-ups, and narrowly avoiding another, but I am nervous when a church is seen as the focal point of anyones spiritual life. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. GSD, Apparently this post is getting a lot of play out there. (or is it just me) Like when he says Can't Keep, InsignifiCance, and a face in the Clouds; just a few examples. People want to belong. In kinda scratching my head here. These Neo-Cal guys act like they have answers for everything; they are the new wave, the latest and greatest. Does not. When I attended a Sovereign Grace Church the pastors had their own small group! Anyone who claims the title of lead pastor or head pastor is usurping Jesus authority in the lives of believers. Why do we persist, neurotically supporting this model? However, imagine being the pastor of a mega church. It seems Billy Graham has the gift of evangelism (gifts of the Spirit to the church, Rom. Is this confirmed that he is doing it for free? My father lost his position due to lies by officials above the local church and was told to vacate the parsonage with 60 days notice culminating Dec 31. 20-25 hours might involve something like translating the passage out of the original language, maybe? I can remember on pastor in my lifetime that handled the role fairly well, but Ive known others who truly were pastors. why are we surprised when we attract to that position those who are nothing more than entrepreneurial CEOs, vapid, idiotic motivational speakers, and little kings and God-haters who demand submission? They took me to a new level of understanding Gods Word. Whos We? I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. It is also a biological code. But it should be available. Incidentally, thats three comments in a row beginning with the word incidentally. This is indirectly related to this topic.I am questioning the current practice of satellite churches.where a church starts another location with the pastor appearing via webcam. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. what these guys are doing and see some of the connections. Im a firm believer in Capital Punishment. dementia. one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. @ Preacherskid: Here are the top six lies David Platt told to McLean Bible Church to mischaracterize conservative dissidents working to save the church from the Woke Social Justice heresy. David Platt lied and claimed McLean Bible Church is not affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. However, all the evidence says otherwise. Why a building, and a pastor if they are going to refuse to do any of the real work of the church? Please let me know so that I dont continue to trigger you or others. In a TWW postEd Stetzer and the Four Fence Posts that Define His Ministry, Stetzerexplained what he didand didnot do as a bi-vocational pastor. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them. Acts 2:41, NKJV. If you have a good class and good friends in that class, keep going. But making the pulpit and the weekly sermon the center of our spiritual lives seems odd to me. theres no way it could really take 20-25 hrs per week!!! Unless you show me some passages that demonstrate it was the norm. Im familiar with the loophole, it is another one of those things that violates my classical liberal sensibilities as does the property tax exclusion that no other non-profit enjoys. In the year I have attended MBC, I have NEVER known a single person sitting next to me at service. There is no such thing as a teaching pastor in scripture. Ive even seen multi-media pastor. Platt, unfortunately, was merely a podcast in person. I can see how this could be the cast for new converts, in the same way that newborns depend on the pre-digested proteins of milk. But the idea that we are first born again and then immediately sent on mission of some sort (publicly profess the faith for example) was how we were taught back in the day in SBCville. Thanks for the man/human explanation. WebBecause God was with Moses then no impediment, real or imagined, would stand in Gods way. About 3 minutes. If you love the Lord and truly follow the Lord, He will open opportunities where He wants you to be. I did join it after attending for a year and then left after four months. It evolved; a culture developed around it; rules and regulations; holidays and celebrations; the yearly church calendar; working people could show up, pay up, and leave; eventually the CEO posted a job roster for the volunteers; duties and titles; gender roles; power and access became linked to donated money; book$ and conference$ and web$ite$ and broadcast$; celebrity and status; trips and missions and safaris; etc. The Forgotten Mandate: Feed My Sheep or Putting Bread on the Table. 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