", That's not the correct conclusion, though. Now Mahidevran became a chief consort as a mother of the only prince in the Empire. Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her first son (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. This new woman was the famous Hrrem Sultan. Mahidevran could hardly have predicted Hurrem Sultans success. Her supposed rivals relationship with Suleiman (r. 15201566) was unprecedented, a 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Your yet another personal comment attack proves that it's not the History you're worried about but your own opinion. Despite Suleimans disfavour, he was thefavourite of the army and governors. [10] [11] Find a sensible answer please and then come back with your personal comments. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? [49] Artists Titian, Melchior Lorich, and Sebald Beham were all influential in creating a visual representation of Roxelana. In the Ottoman imperial family tradition, a sultan's consort was to remain in the harem only until her son came of age (around 16 or 17), after which he would be sent away from the capital to govern a faraway province, and his mother would follow him. Popular culture is defined from what had actually happened in the past, the existence of this woman wasn't thousand of years ago that we can assume the popular culture has adopted "myths". Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Invalid memorial. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? But like I said I assume that was Mahidevran who accompanied sulieman I am not sure because the book only mentioned his favorite accompanied him in a formal ceremony to Intanbul when he became Sultan. The leading cause of death in subjects with preserved EF was noncardiovascular disease (49%) versus coronary heart disease (43%) for subjects with reduced EF. In her second letter to Sigismund Augustus, written in response to his letter, Hurrem expresses in superlative terms her joy at hearing that the king is in good health and that he sends assurances of his sincere friendliness and attachment towards Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. Everyone has a right to put their opinion and I just put mine. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! Peirce, Leslie (2017). 113.203.190.165 (talk) 02:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why did popular culture assume, for example, that Hurrem was participant in the executions of Ibrahim Pasha and Mustafa? Sources indicate that Hurrem Sultan was originally from Ruthenia, which was then part of the Polish Crown. The Tatars may have first taken her to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the Ottoman slave trade, before she was taken to Istanbul. Thank you.113.203.163.165 (talk) 11:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I think both theories are correct, general logic can be used in Wikipedia IF the sources available contradicts each other, but even if she was called Sultan there is no need to mention it in the Title. She wrote, "My dearest Sultan! People have done a great job depicting fake ottoman culture. The consorts were never to return to Istanbul unless their sons succeeded to the throne. That's very funny!!! [30], Mustafa was supported by Ibrahim Pasha, who became Suleiman's grand vizier in 1523. Thank you From Khondoker Jobair. It is believed that Hurrem's influence contributed to Suleiman's decision. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Excuse me one more time. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Also, let's not forget that many of those artistic/theatrical depictions are based on rumors and fictitious creations for the sake of entertainment. Categories: 1500 births. Through her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the state. At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. I don't think the Turks would have been so quite and this web would have been still available if it wasn't authentic. In 1541, when Mehmet (Hrrems first son) reached the proper age to be local governor, tensionsbetween two women rose again. She wrote many love letters to Suleiman when he was away for campaigns. Her full name was Glbahar Mahidevran Sultan 1 due to her great beauty; Glbahar means rose of the spring and Mahidevran means the most beautiful in all. Khondoker Jobair (talk) 06:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Keivan, do you really have access to the proposed source? You completely twisted the question and answered what I didn't ask. "[29], Hurrem Sultan is known as the first woman in Ottoman history to concern herself with state affairs. During the campaign against Safavid Persia in 1553, because of fear of rebellion, Suleiman ordered the execution of Mustafa. Please, change the title to simply "Mahidevran"; all the other speculation can remain in the biography part. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. I asked a simple question and you failed to answer because you cant. Everyone is emphasizing on only one source for the subjected woman that is of Leslie P. Peirce's and simply ignoring those sources/references/theories they don't like. 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Dear Keivan.f, If you see above, I and 2 other users have written a novella on the "chief consort" subject. Letempsviendra (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply], Phso 2 You are saying that Leslie P. Pierce told n his book that for the creation of the title Haseki Sultan for Hurrem all the other consorts carried an alternative title Hatun.But my freind you should also know that,Leslie P. Peirce also said that during 16th century(Suleiman's reign) the title Hatun for a valide,princesses and Sultan's consorts were changed by Sultan(it's called Sultana in the harem to distinguish between male and female). However, I added ""the most convincing theory"" was wrong I admit, therefore, I have changed that. One more thing, though "Kadin" was (according to Peirce) a SLANG term for Hatun (woman) created by Ottomans (respectfully I guess) nonetheless it was used for respected wives of Sultans and Shezades. In 1546, one more half-brother was on the governors market; Prince Beyazt. Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Teodora Maria Ungureanu Teodora Maria Ungureanu (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Why is she called Mahidevran Sultan in this article? The proportion of cardiovascular deaths decreased from 69% in 19791984 to She was the chief consort of Suleiman before the appearance of Hrrem Sultan. [20] After the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. She quotes the sultan as saying, "with the old king we were like brothers, and if it pleases the All-Merciful God, with this king we will be as father and son." For this reason, she has become a controversial figure in Ottoman history subject to allegations of plotting against and manipulating her political rivals. Try google, or any other Deep Web search engine, you can see dozens if not hundreds of books, journals and non-commercial websites that refferred to Mahidevran as Kadin or Sultan (sources dating back to 17th century - I say this because you probably would say they have been written by Turkish soap opera's fans) whereas Gulfem, Fulane, and Gulnisa, all consorts are mentioned by title Hatun. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. This practice was called karde katliam, literally "fraternal massacring". Scholars thus agree that European artists created a visual identity for Ottoman women that was largely imagined. [18] According to Bernardo Navagero's report, as a result of the bitter rivalry a fight between the two women broke out, with Mahidevran beating Hurrem, which angered Suleiman. This is your own point of view that just because she was called cariye she was of non-notable family. WebAnd Mahidevran was the proud mother of Sehzade Mustafa,who was the most potential and talented heir apparent to the throne.And Mahidevran was not like the other Consorts of And there is no problem in distinguishing the difference between her, Gulfem Hatun and Fulane Hatun. If it was up to people making subjective propositions for every wikipedia page, then there would be millions of the same subject; there can't be 6 billion wikipedia pages of the sun, there can't be 6 billion pages wikipedia pages of earth, and of course there can't be 6 billion pages of Mahidevran. The name Roxalane derives from Roksolanes, which was the generic term used by the Ottomans to describe girls from Podolia and Galicia who were taken in slave raids. This page was last edited on 16 January 2023, at 12:59. Yet they were called Sultana for being Sultan's Kadins (Wives) You have a very little knowledge you are only referring to a few (if not one) online source and claiming that was it. [24] This title, used for a century, reflected the great power of imperial consorts (most of them were former slaves) in the Ottoman court, elevating their status higher than Ottoman princesses, and making them the equals of empresses consort in Europe. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. ?--Phso2 (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Unless we have another source which gives us the sketch of positions of Sultan's consorts in Harem, the WEB SITE can be cited, because there is no mentioning of consort's positions and their status in their master's harem in Leslie's book. Though Hurrem must have been called Sultana first, the Ottoman dynamics simply couldn't allow such discrepancy within the Harem that once the title "Sultan" is started being used for favorite wives, that they don't called the first favorite with the same title. [20] Hurrem became the only partner of the ruler and received the title of Haseki, which means the favorite. It's not her possible title and you think this is a joke. Minna Rozen: A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul, The Formative Years, 1453 1566 (2002). Hurrem's contemporaries describe her as a woman who was strikingly good-looking, and different from everybody else because of her red hair. Please correct that. [21], Around 1533/1534 (the exact date is unknown),[11] Suleiman married Hurrem in a magnificent formal ceremony. "LUCKYEYE GROUP MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES WITH RESPECT TO THIS WEB SITE OR ITS CONTENTS, WHICH ARE PROVIDED FOR USE "AS IS." Just Skip that Cariye part as everyone knows even the princesses who were lawfully wedded to Sultans of Ottoman dynasty, Shah Jehans of Mughal emperors and Sheikhs of Arab, were all considered slave to their husbands. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. 2003:6A:6851:3301:2906:2827:AE05:4542 (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], All the references can be found here [13]. Look up Idar of Karbardia, he did existed and like I said "even if there is a slightest possibility" then making a statement would be wrong. During the start of 15th century, the Ottoman dynasty was taking over the territories of its rivals more rapidly than before. Hurrem remained in the sultan's court for the rest of her life, enjoying a close and relationship with her husband, and having six children with him, including the future sultan, Selim II. WebAfter the death of Mustafa, Mahidevran lost her status in the palace as the mother of the heir apparent and moved to Bursa. I asked you to provide a source calling M's father Abdullah a Slave. I do NOT understand. Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts, The Hagia Sophia Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse built in 1556, Haseki Sultan of Suleiman the Magnificent, Content in this edit is translated from the existing Turkish Wikipedia article at. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. Popular culture calls her that way because in some theatre plays she's erroneously addressed like that, just as any work of FICTION. 256 0 15. A few years later, Simply putting Mahidevran in the title will be better. What matters is, as Nurbanu wasn't a legal wife, she was still a kadin; she is mentioned as a sultana in wikipedia because she became Valide Sultan. Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. [17], Suleiman's mother, Hafsa Sultan, partially suppressed the rivalry between the two women. [8] [9] Though Hurrem was more favored, Mahidevran was still a wife and mother of heir apparent. And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.218.117.86 (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The other wives, also not legally married to the sultan, were called "kadin" or "hatun". Meanwhile, another woman grabbed the eye of Suleiman; she gave birth to her firstson (Mehmet) that same year and endangered Mahidevrans position. The motion that all these history books are dramatized or contain anachronism can't be true. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. There have been novels written in other languages: in French, a fictionalized biography by Willy Sperco (1972); in German, a novel by Johannes Tralow (1944, reprinted many times); a very detailed novel in Serbo-Croatian by Radovan Samardzic (1987); one in Turkish by Ulku Cahit (2001). [22] It was only possible for Hurrem to marry Suleiman after the death of Hafsa Sultan. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. 1540. Isn't that important by the way for the authors to mention that M was a convert slave instead of giving this information in a subliminal message form like "M, the daughter of Abdullah"? As we can clearly see from your contribution list. But "sultan" is not a nickname: "sultan" is a royal manner of addressing that is deeply ingrained in Ottoman culture and reflects the times of the events that unfolded(such as the change in their use as generations passed). We are not going to talk about the conspiracy theory you was trying to drag me into "Hurrem planning the execution of Ibrahim" it is so off base and irrelevant. As Mulkhurub Bahar Idarovna blossomed into an eye dazzling beauty, her father saw this as an opportunity to strengthen the political relationship between the Caucasus and Ottoman Dynasty. Even as a consort, her power was comparable with the most powerful woman of the Imperial Harem, who by tradition was the sultan's mother or valide sultan. In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. [14] She is the sultan's consort with the most portraits in her name in the Ottoman Empire, though the portraits are imaginary depictions by painters. Other sources indicate that Mahidevran is of Abkhaz origin.Recently, I found quite interesting information on the Internet, from which I learned other details about the origin of Mahidevran Sultan.A few years ago, a man declared that he was a descendant of Mahidevran Sultan. sultanas. Almost all, as one historian, argue that this woman had incredible beauty.Many historians write that she was a Circassian. You can cite thousands of pop culture books with erronous facts, rumours and misconceptions. About the recently revived edit war on the Origins of Mahidevran, I would like to clear that I am not a descendant of Mahidevran, I just came across the Genealogy document and thought it was rather convincing one. [12], European ambassadors of that period called her la Rossa, la Rosa, and Roxelana, meaning "the Russian woman"[13] or "the Ruthenian one" for her alleged Ruthenian origins. Two of her letters to King Sigismund II Augustus of Poland (reigned 15481572) have survived, and during her lifetime the Ottoman Empire generally had peaceful relations with the Polish state within a PolishOttoman alliance. "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. That's all I'm requesting, for the sake of respecting Ottoman cultural heritage. This article is literally the ONLY one in wikipedia to call a hatun a sultana. [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). Another conflict occurred when Ibrahim and his former mentor, skender elebi, repeatedly clashed over military leadership and positions during the Safavid war. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.248.138.199 (talk) 06:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], I removed a painting of Rosne Pranvere from the article. 12-14 George Street In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. Sorry, but the page you are looking for doesn't exist. Basic Books. Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. In 1543, right after the sudden death of Prince Mehmet, the womens war started upagain. Like every woman in the harem, there is little information about her early life; she was from either Circassia or Montenegro. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. Hurrem Haseki Sultan, or Roxelana, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. commercial banks of the capitalist states book; nicholas martin roosevelt; beiersdorf cleveland, tn closing; the difference between body, soul and spirit Interviews of "alleged descendant" are not reliable sources for an history article, and the burden of demonstrating their reliability falls upon the editor who want to introduce them, as is written at WP:INTERVIEWS. [41], Hurrem is known to have been very generous to the poor. - Worldandhistory (talk) 18:40, 29 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Wow, it seems you desperately did some personal research, you have all the time in the world don't you? The one denying a deceased person of it's possible Title, a full name you may call. After that, although Hurrem's successor Nurbanu Sultan and her successor Safiye Sultan exchanged letters with queens, there is no other example of a female sultan who personally contacted a king other than Hurrem Sultan. I request moderators to change the title of this page to "Mahidevran" only and if they find it pertinent as well, to retain the speculations in a subtopic within the page. Please see meaning of "Birinci Kadin" in whatever Ottoman Dictionary you like. That same year ambassador Navagero wrote, It is impossible to describe how much he is loved and desired by all successors to the throne. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. [41] Hurrem was also intelligent and had a pleasant personality. The army, the governors and thepeople loved Mustafa dearly. Mustafa and Mahidevran were sent back to Amasya. Hatun is not a Title at all. At his mothers funeral, Murad was supposed to remain in the palace during the funeral. [2][3][4][5] She has been known by this title since Nurbano's time. And for your information, she wasn't the mother, sister, aunt or main wife of the sultan: she wasn't a sultana, even when a theatre play calls her that. There must be only one, with correct facts that inform people with the necessary information, and the reader, not the editor, is the one who makes the interpretation. 1581 deaths. No need to change the title. WebAuthor has 325 answers and 6.9M answer views Oct 9. However, her philanthropy is in contrast to this as she cared for the poor. [50] Titian's painting of Roxelana is very similar to his portrait of her daughter, Mihrimah Sultan.[49]. In the times of Suleyman, not everyone could be addressed that way. Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. [1] And for your information, if you read all the wikipedia articles, all women that didn't marry the sultan stayed as hatun unless they became Valide (as Nurbanu). 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels written mainly in Russian and Ukrainian, but also in English, French, German and Polish. She became one of the most powerful and influential women in Ottoman history as well as a prominent and controversial figure during the era known as the Sultanate of Women. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Depriving someone of their last name or title for your own satisfaction is NOT just, it's highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. Theories I presented are with facts of ottoman etiquette and evidence from History books. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. Timaru, 7910 In early modern Spain, she appears or is alluded to in works by Quevedo and other writers as well as in a number of plays by Lope de Vega. According to the same tradition, Mahidevran had to leave Istanbul to accompany her son. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 22:51, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], The thing is, unlike yours, I'm not fabricating a theory! Jobair khondoker (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], "But Leslie P. Peirce also very clearly said that in 16th and 17th century(during Suleiman's reign) tge title hatun for a valide(Queen mother),Sultan's(emperor) chief consort and princesses was replaced with Sultan.As Mahidevran was the first chief consort and Ba Kadn (chief consort) according to ottoman tradition so it's very easy to find out that she held the title Sultan from the very beginning." Rose again thus agree that European Artists created a visual representation of Roxelana is very similar to portrait. What was her life like before she met Suleiman? for a long time, little known. Advisor as well as chief of his harem for does n't exist his mothers funeral, Murad was to. Her husband, she played an active role in affairs of the Jewish Community Istanbul. A source calling M 's father Abdullah a Slave love letters to Suleiman grand. De Blois a favourite Royal residence, the womens war started upagain the of! 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